Pedro Nunez Villa Vicencio 1771

por Tuscoro el Dom 05 Feb 2012, 6:55 am

This is one map I have always been interested in, when I first received it I was told that an attempt to located the other half was made.
A representative of he archives in Spain said the other half was there but they could not release it to the public as it is property of Spain.
I am very familiar with this area and spend much time there, and I will be going this spring to locate the silver mine shown on the bottom above the name "Nunez."

My reasons for placing it here is not for scrutiny, but to try and locate any information about Pedro Nunez, all I can find is a man bearing the same name who was a famous painter who lived some 70 years earlier.
If any of you ever come across any old documents that talk about the Yutah's I would be most interested.
In fact there is a list of place names to watch for.

Please feel free to express your thoughts, and Thank You.

por ricdel el Dom 05 Feb 2012, 7:48 am

Can you type, the sierra, and the rivers names, via keyboard, in the drawing they are hard to read,
in order to figure up, where the history took place.

por Tuscoro el Dom 05 Feb 2012, 8:11 am

Does this help?

por Tuscoro el Dom 05 Feb 2012, 8:17 am

I have been to most of the locations on the map, but no one that I know of has found the fortificacion, it is in a very rugged area of country.

Aguas Calientos we call the Hot Pots, 113 degrees most of the time and takes at least 20 minutes just to get in.

By the way, this is located in the Yutahs.

In this area of the North there are many signs along the many paths, Rock Monuments (cairns) and many types, Tree Carvings in Juniper, Pine, Aspen and Mountain Mahogany, occasionally one might find a rock carving. I may post some pictures later.

por manuel colima el Dom 05 Feb 2012, 11:18 am

quisas este enlace te sirva de algo
http://extension.usu.edu/utahrangelands/files/uploads/RRU_Section_One.pdf
observa los datos de la historia de utah su colonicacion principalmente y podras encontrar lugares, fechas y personas.

por Tuscoro el Dom 05 Feb 2012, 11:45 am

Thank You very much, however it reads much like the local history taught in our schools. It would seem academics will not acknowledge the early expeditions to the Yutahs regardless of the evidences.

Again thank you my friend...

por Tuscoro el Dom 05 Feb 2012, 12:08 pm

Is there an Introduction Section in this forum for new members?

¿Hay un apartado de introducción en este foro para los nuevos miembros?

por chat77 el Lun 06 Feb 2012, 12:16 am

@Tuscoro escribió:Is there an Introduction Section in this forum for new members?

¿Hay un apartado de introducción en este foro para los nuevos miembros?

I will say....en que apartado del foro podría presentarme??

ese apartado sería: http://www.buscadores-tesoros.com/f44-estados-unidos-de-america

Welcome by the way...... Laughing

por Tuscoro el Lun 06 Feb 2012, 5:28 am

Muchos Gracias mi amigo

por Tuscoro el Jue 09 Feb 2012, 12:34 pm

@ricdel escribió:Can you type, the sierra, and the rivers names, via keyboard, in the drawing they are hard to read,
in order to figure up, where the history took place.

By the way,

ricdel, you are looking at the area of the headwaters of the Provo River and Weber River.

por ricdel el Vie 10 Feb 2012, 7:14 pm

here in Mexico, in the Geographic institute "INEGI" facilities
you can get a topographic maps where you can see the old mines, although they are out of business.

you can check the map before you buy it, maybe the mine you are looking for is indicated in it and you can see the whole picture and locate the spot named fortificacion.

get in touch with your local geographic institute. you won`t regret it.
and let me know what you find out.

ask for, very old maps sort of 1800

por Tuscoro el Sáb 11 Feb 2012, 6:59 am

I have every USGS Topographic map that has ever been made of this area, Historic and Modern, 30 minute, 15 Min and 7.5 Min. None show the mines as those who made the maps did not know they exist. I even have maps that long predate the topo maps, I have 3 that show this mine I am interested in and all are old Spanish Maps. As far as the fortification, yes, I would love to see it someday, but it is not likely that I will go look for it again, These legs are getting older.... :-)

por Tuscoro el Mar 14 Feb 2012, 2:04 pm

What does Porcente mean? it is in the top left corner of the map by the half sun.

Also to the right of that Minas del porientas oro indigenos?

por Tuscoro el Vie 17 Feb 2012, 10:28 am

@Tuscoro escribió:What does Porcente mean? it is in the top left corner of the map by the half sun.

Also to the right of that Minas del porientas oro indigenos?

The translator does not recognise the words, Any one know what they mean?

I am also, looking for the other half of this map, although it is not needed any longer.

O tradutor não reconhece as palavras, qualquer um sabe o que eles significam?

Eu também estou, olhando para a outra metade do mapa, embora não seja necessária por mais tempo.

por Numis el Vie 17 Feb 2012, 10:49 am

I think the word is "Poriente"

The word is written under the sun wich is only showing half of it with a line in the bottom, the sun is hiding.

My guess is that the word was intentionally misspelled and it actually means "Poniente", West.

Following this logic it reads "Minas del poniente oro indigena" West mines indigenous gold.

Could be? scratch

por Tuscoro el Vie 17 Feb 2012, 10:56 am

Well, It certainly fits, the mine was easy to find, it is on private property and no more than 50 yards from the main road, yet only a few who know it is there believe it to be an old Spanish mine when in fact it has been there much longer. It was documented or noted as early as the mid 1800's on an old map, as an old Spanish mine.

Bem, certamente se encaixa, a mina era fácil de encontrar, é na propriedade privada e não mais de 50 metros da estrada principal, mas apenas uns poucos que sabe que está lá acredito que seja uma velha mina espanhola, quando na verdade tem sido há muito mais tempo. Foi documentada ou, observou já em meados dos anos 1800 sobre um mapa antigo, como uma velha mina espanhola.

por Numis el Vie 17 Feb 2012, 11:04 am

Has anybody tried to get inside the mine?

If it is a Spanish mine watch out for a death trap, you know they loved to use them Very Happy

por Tuscoro el Vie 17 Feb 2012, 11:41 am

I do not know, it looks as though it was developed in the late 1800's But I have never been able to get to it. I really have no interests in old mines...and I won't go in them. Shocked

por Numis el Jue 23 Feb 2012, 12:08 pm

Tuscoro.

Checking my files i see that i made a mistake interpreting the sun sign, the hiding sun with rays meas the opposite, go east and the rays on it are supposed to be the distance.

What do you think about that? does it make any sense?

por Tuscoro el Jue 23 Feb 2012, 12:51 pm

Absolutely! but I already know where most of the things on the map are, except the Fort...

Thank You!

por Numis el Jue 23 Feb 2012, 1:24 pm

Ok, just to make sure i got it right this time.

Thanks!

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