Los Mirayas

How about a little help translating from Spanish to English?

¿Qué tal un poco de ayuda traducir del Español al Inglés?


I have a document I would like to post here....typed and

I will also post a copy of the original hand written document

Any volunteers who are really good with Spanish and English?


Tengo un documento que le gustaría publicar aquí .... escrito y

También voy a publicar una copia del documento original escrito a mano

Todos los voluntarios que están muy bien con el español y el Inglés?

Tuscoro

This is the Spanish transcript as best as we can get it.

Esta es la transcripción española lo mejor que podemos conseguirlo.



Las Mirayas

1. Vea Usted esta

2. Valla a las Mirayas. Informe en que

3. parte esta el corral reforzado y una vez

4. que esta dentro de dicho corral pongase en (Correction)

5. el sol sale una barranca de piedra

6. firme en su fin se encuentra una cueva

7. grandes dimenciones entre a dicha cueva a

8. su lado oriente esta en la parte baja de los

9. grandes lajas marcados (con el 1 . y el 2 .) y en

10. su fondo encontrara' unos tablones de encinos

11. labrados a suela con testigos? de la misma

12. madera y unas cueros de vecino de ano.

13. estas piezas estan ____ con Banle que

14. guardan una grande cantidad de piezas de

15. plata en barras mas a su fondo esta una

16. cruz de loma ancha bajo de ella esta la

17. tapa de mismo T_ula contiene oro y plata

18. una cajita de ebano? negro _____ _____

19. dicha cajita ser feliz pues dentro de ella,

20. los derrotero de las tesoros del indio Pedro

21. Jose Salvador que _____ tiempo fue el

22. posiedor de estas montanas estos papeles

23. estan escritos en idioma que yo no conozco

24. estan escrito con sangre de muro

25. sea quien sea la persona que llega a

26. tener esta tejido en sus manos se dara' cuente

27. la que el rombe dicha cajeria que contiene

28. alhajas de oro y plata ______ y papeles

29. de pelizo de madroño donde explicandose que

30. en que se encuentra _______ _____ el que

31. tesoro de dica tribu pues existe una

32. enorme cueva que guarda sumo

33. conocido por ser humano

34. Al norte de la muralla grande precisamente

35. esta una cueva a su entrada ay dos ce

36. que segun panes lo sembraron los indios

37. como sena mas a la parte del arroyo ay

38. tres grandes piedras en jongo y en el

39. centro del arbol ____ _____ _____

40. buen senor o buen amigo Silvestre Prado

41. que hoy encuento a ochenta y seis anos digo

42. sera' feliz la persona que tenga en sus

43. manos este simple lienzo.

44. Canon de Huajuco Tamatan Tamaulipas

45. de Noviembre

46. Silvestre Prado

Anyone?

alguien?

me la puedes mandar a mi correo

pishum1@hotmail.com a ver si la puedo mejorar

saludos

pishum escribió:me la puedes mandar a mi correo

pishum1@hotmail.com a ver si la puedo mejorar

saludos

Thank you, but how is your English?
I have found that it is no easy task getting a good direct translation.

I use the Google online translator to communicate with this forum.

Gracias, pero ¿cómo es tu Inglés?
He encontrado que no es tarea fácil conseguir una buena traducción directa.

Puedo usar el traductor online de Google para comunicarse con este foro.

I have sent this to some on this forum before but I have not got anything back.
If someone did send me back something I never received it.

It is not that I am concerned with the story being taken from me because the key is knowing the Verbal part of this story which I will not give.

But any help in this will be greatly appreciated and who knows? Maybe I can do something for you that requires some one on this side of the border.


Me han enviado esto a algunos en este foro antes, pero yo no tengo nada a cambio.
Si alguien me envió de vuelta algo que nunca lo recibí.

No es que yo estoy interesado en la historia va a tomar a mí, porque la clave es saber la parte verbal de esta historia que no voy a dar.

Sin embargo, cualquier ayuda en este será muy apreciada y ¿quién sabe? Tal vez pueda hacer algo para usted que requiere un poco de uno a este lado de la frontera.

Tuscoro escribió:

pishum escribió:me la puedes mandar a mi correo

pishum1@hotmail.com a ver si la puedo mejorar

saludos

Thank you, but how is your English?
I have found that it is no easy task getting a good direct translation.

I use the Google online translator to communicate with this forum.

Gracias, pero ¿cómo es tu Inglés?
He encontrado que no es tarea fácil conseguir una buena traducción directa.

Puedo usar el traductor online de Google para comunicarse con este foro.

Google translator sucks buddy...I bet there is a lot of specific words that needs to be translated, in this cases since the document is old and then the languange had change a lot ...some words cant be find by a modern internet translator...anyway y if you post it in english I will try to help....and put the sentences in the real context of the meaning....take care....

Yes Google Translator sucks LOL but it is all I have.
I speak very little Spanish and recognize words about the same

I will post the English as well which was done by some unknown person.
as far as the hand written document if any one has a recommendation as to the perfect size as in Pixel Width, I will post it.

Also, anyone feel free to correct any translation I have given by use of the translator, I don't mean to be any trouble.

Here is one translation done by a friend but he was certainly no expert.


Las Mirayas

Vea Usted esta

Look at this

Go to Las Mirayas. Find out

where the reinforced corral is and once

you are inside said corral, face yourself towards where

the sun rises over a ravine of hard

rock. Next to it is found a cave of

large dimensions. Enter said cave

on the east side in the lower part of two

large flat stones marked (with a 1 and 2) and

below them you will find some oak planks

cultivated to the rafter with pins? of the same

wood and some cowhides ____

These pieces are

store a large quantity of pieces of

bars of silver. Further to the bottom is a

cross with wide edges. Under it is the

cover of the same material? that contains gold & silver

a small black ebony box.______ ______estan

said small box will be happy because inside of it, are

the directions of the treasures of the Indian Pedro

Jose Salvador that ____ time was the

owner of these mountains. These papers

are written in a language that I do not recognize.

They are written with mules blood.

Whomever it is that comes to

have this cloth in his hands will come to realize

that if he breaks said box that it contains

jewels of gold and silver and papers

made from a berry tree where it is explained

.where the place is found where the _____

treasure of said tribe exists an

enormous cave that holds the highest amounts? Ever

known to man.

To the north of the large wall, precisely

there is a cave. At its entrance there are two junipers

that, just as corn/grain, was planted by the indians

as a marker. Further to the part of the stream there are

three large rocks in jongo and in the

center of a fruit tree that is a peach tree.

Good sir or good friend, Silvestre Prada

who today is eighty eight years old, I say that

happy will be the person who holds in his

hands this simple cloth/hanky.

19th of November, 1900

Silvestre Prado

Are you scaning the original document?? ...I will recomend a 1200x1200 dpi for a better view and save it on PDF for better handling. but are you talking about texting here the document?? I guess this size is good enough...I will be waiting to help...greetings!

I see it...can you post it without mixicng spanish and english...Its kind of confusing....thanks in advance

Here is the translation I first received with the copy of the original hand written document.
I am going to this place a a couple of weeks and want to be very prepared, last time I was there,
we found the coral, that was near 6 years ago.

Next up is a copy of the original, thanks for the help on pixels...

This one is 1000 Pixels, the original scan is much larger if this is not large enough.

Try this!

I thin k it is because of its irregular length

I already saved copies of eachone in my computer...I will try to translate in my free times...I will let you know...thanks

This is what we call the Main Monument at this location or one of the "Stones in Jongo"

The Coral is located about 730 yards behind the monument towards the Spring/Fall Sunrise....

Does any one know what Mirayas means?

¿Alguien sabe qué significa Mirayas?

Tuscoro escribió:Does any one know what Mirayas means?

¿Alguien sabe qué significa Mirayas?

Creo que la palabra correcta es MURALLAS.

MURALLAS = WALLS

MURALLAS : spelling mistake -- MURAYAS

That actually is very fitting for the area, Thank You!

So Los Mirayas might mean?

You are wrong.

In your letter i can read " las murayas ", don´t says mirayas.

Muraya is a misspelled word. The correcto word is muralla

example

in inglish: great wall of china

en español : muralla china

perhaps a wall of canyon hills

Oh...yes your right, I have been reading it wrong for a long time. Thanks.

Ok, so mis-spelled or not, what would the best English words be for Las Murayas?

Synonyms of wall:

bank, bar, barrier, block, bulwark, curb, fecade, fortification, hirdance, hurdle, impediment, limitation.

"a wall of canyon hills" PERFECT!

Thank you very much and my apologies for my ignorance...

Dear friend, can you tell us how did you get those papers? and if there is any story behind it, thanks